Explaining the rules

[Earl822]

If the Norman Kingdom gets the tech, it will be upgrading its army soon, how much does it cost to upgrade 30 lvl 4 corps to lvl 5?

[Borys]

60$ and 15$

[Korpen]

Guns and gun mounts.
About the gun technologies: is it possible to develop a gun and its mounts parallel (or even developing the gun while researching the tech, as that is kind of that the research team is doing)?
Or do you first have to spend two years designing the gun, and then 1-2 years developing mounts for it?

If the latter is the case, the years of the guns techs should be a few earlier, as otherwise the earliest date a country that not already posses that tech can build a ship with 38cm guns is 1915..
(1910 +two years research minimum, two years to develop the gun and at least one year for the mount). And this would be ok, if it were not for the fact that several nations already possess that gun tech, so they can put down ships with guns that it would take at least almost 10 years for the rest of the world to match.

[P3D]

The gun tech will be brought forward by a few years.
It is possible to research paralell.

[Desertfox]

What about moving the turbine tech also foward? Seydlitz laid down 1908, had 21,000 hp per shaft (63,000hp on 3 shafts)

[Borys]

4 shafts
Schlachtschiffe had 3, and Grosskreuzer had 4

[Desertfox]

My bad, I made a slight mistake.

According to http://www.german-navy.de/

Moltke/Goeben 1908, 86,000 hp, (21,500 hp per shaft)
Seydlitz 1911, 89,000 hp, (22,500 hp per shaft)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
The Hochseeflotte site gives the overload values. I believe that this had already been pointed out to you.

From:
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/battlecruiser/sms-seydlitz.html
Propulsion:
M&G - 4 shaft Parsons turbines, 52,000 shp, 25.5 knots
S - 4 shaft Parsons turbines, 63,000 shp, 26.5 knots.

From Hazegrey:
M&G - Prop: Steam turbines, 24 boilers, 4 shafts, 52,000 shp, 25.5 knots
S - Prop: Steam turbines, 27 boilers, 4 shafts, 63,000 hp, 26.5 knots

Borys

[Desertfox]

Jane's has:
Moltke/Goeben at 70,000 hp on four shafts (17,500 hp per shaft) and Seydlitz at 63,000 hp on three shafts (21,000hp per shaft)

even the lower values of 52,000 hp on 4 shafts still is above our limits of 48,000 hp on 4 shafts.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
M&G - the difference is half a knot ....

And Seydlitz fits the rules perfectly. It was laid in 1911. With 20,000 per shaft engines being researchable from 1/1909, you pass your 60% roll in 1/1911, and there you go ...

Borys

[Korpen]

Well, I really have no opinion about the turbine technologies. The thing I reacted to with the guns was not about if it is possible to get the guns in a historical year, but the fact that some nations already posses it.
There are some more techs like that, capped shells for one, that some countries (NewSwiss and Austria as far as I know) already posses and the rest of the world cannot research until 1912...
I am for stricter limits on the use of ahead-of-year tech, such as no sales of it (of the product that is, so no sales of capped shells or 1912 turbines), and maybe extra costs for its use.

[swamphen]

I am for stricter limits on the use of ahead-of-year tech, such as no sales of it (of the product that is, so no sales of capped shells or 1912 turbines),

That's already in the rules.

DFox - Looking at Jane's I had some of the same concerns, but looking at the Battlecruiser Site the only one that falls outside the current rules enough to be noticeable is HMS Tiger (at 27,000hp/shaft - in 1912! :o ). But that's the far, far data point on the curve...

[Korpen]

Just a quick question that popped up in my head.
So far I took for granted that tech had to be researched in order, that is, to research a cutting edge tech you must first have advanced.
But i have not really found anything that says anything one way or the other.
So my question is, is it possible to skip research level and go from having say dated Army reserves to start researching advanced army reserves without ever researching baseline army reserves?

[P3D]

I'd say no skipping techs.

[Walter]

I'd say: Throw the rulebook out of the window. ;D

It only seemed logical to me that you research things in order. However I think it should be possible to skip a level through acquisition.
For instance, Japan's Dirigible airships level is "Dated (-1)". It should be possible  to acquire "Cutting Edge" from an ally who does have that level. Perhaps with a penalty (in $) as you do not have the tech levels in between.