Sim 1/11

[Tanthalas]

My report is finished and I used the 1909 / 1912 system.  I saw no reason to change for one year.

[miketr]

???

I am confused whats the problem in a nut shell?  Someone look at my economics and tell me if I screwed them up.

Michael

[The Rock Doctor]

The costing model for surface warships has fluctuated:

1906 - 1909:  Cost in British pounds, * 10
1909:  Cost in BP * 1 (*1.25 if built to DD rules)
1910:  Cost in British pounds, * 10
1911:  ?
1912 - 2008:  Cost in BP * 1 (*1.25 if built to DD rules)

The question is what costing model we're using for 1911.  I kept using the 1909 model for 1910, so wish to just continue it indefinitely.  You appear to be doing the same. 

Whether this is kosher depends on how the Mods wish to deal with 1911.

[Ithekro]

Basic root of the problem is SS2 has a rather large cost inflation starting after 1912.  Our economies likely can't handle such inflated prices, so it was either compensate with a formula every year after 1912, fix the construction dates at 1912 and just increase the engine year, or switch to a light tonnage based system to convert to money instead of SS2's stated values.

We switched the the later system in 1909, but due to some serious confusion there was a swap back to the older system in the rules.  Now that the problem is recognized the system will go with the 1909 proposed change.

The problem is that we wanted to have all the rule shifts in 1912 rather than 1911 to avoid the "rules changing every week" syndrome that was being complained about (and resulting in a lot of confusion).  As most of the 1912 rules are additions for things that were not clear or new rules for technologies that haven't been in play, it was felt it was needed to just wait for the proper time rather than rush it.  The flip-flop on the construction end seems to be the main trouble spot.

Going with the 1909/1912 change looks like how it should be rather than the 1906 construction rules to end the confusion (hopefully).

[P3D]

I think using either rules should be fine, the difference being negligible.

[Borys]

Ahoj!

We switched the the later system in 1909, but due to some serious confusion F*** UP BY BORYS there was a swap back to the older system in the rules. 

So use whichever you want for 1911.
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

I have one or two news items to finish for H2/10 - the Torres trip - before I actually start writing anything for H1/11 news.  Don't know about the rest of y'all.

[Tanthalas]

I can go ahead whenever (notes he still hasnt posted his report...)

[The Rock Doctor]

Hasn't posted his report yet?  What unseen evil lurks in the heart of Tanthalus?

[Ithekro]

I'm just waiting to see what is going on around the world.  Most of Rohan's news shouldn't effect people (directly).  

I'm curious as to what is going on in the Pacific for the most part.  We pushed for a player held Maoria to fit a nice post-war balance of power out there, and now everyone is AWOL.  With a balancing act between the Middle Kingdom, Russia, Japan, New Switzerland, the Neatherlands, Iberia, the CSA, Brandenburg, France, Maoria, Rohan, the UNS, and Columbia, we had a nice set for tentions without all out war (again).  Now with at least four of those not saying much (if anything at all), the rest of the neighbors wonder what they are doing in the post-war years.

[The Rock Doctor]

This is true - and I gather Walter/Foxy had ideas that required Mod approval.  If you guys can attempt to sort that out, even in a general sense, we'll be better informed.

If assistance is needed, I can provide some - crunching crude sim reports for an AWOL power, for instance.

[Ithekro]

Well Swampy is out totally it seems, so Brandenburg needs some post war love.

As for Japan-Swiss....I don't remember what the question was anymore.  I recall that the mods didn't particularly want a united Japan-Switerland (not only for balance reasons, but also because of the whole Middle Kingdom issue with the Swiss.  There was some confusion as to which faction would be in charge.  Then there was the whole issue of rebalancing the area (the Australian/Normans kicking the Swiss-Japanese to the curb and going it alone seemed to be an option).  It was hoped that both Japan and the Swiss would remain seperate, but there were plans within plans, within caves, on islands with no names that never appeared save when one knew the words of truth.....

So I don't know which point we were on anymore in that area.

[The Rock Doctor]

I can attempt to hash out a broad DKB summary to the end of '11, if folks would like.  Swampy had discussed some general elements of an idea with me, though I regret I've lost the specific PM.

Perhaps Walter and Foxy, and anybody else who'd planned to meddle in their plot, could re-submit a general summary of what they wanted to do, and the mods can determine generally what happened?

Failing that, perhaps the mods could at least declare "status quo".

[Tanthalas]

all my interfearance in that plot line is already finished and posted (France has Sparrow, so realy thats all I was doing)

[Ithekro]

Swampy would probably like what you do to his forces.