Bulges?

[Guinness]

In working on a battleship design, I've messed with adding bulges. Does anyone have an opinion on them? I'd basically just use them to hold the TDS.

I know that in real life, they didn't appear until the end of WWI (With Courageous and Glorious, I believe), so they might not be appropriate for our designs yet. I also know that they were most common in refitted ships during the post-Washington Treaty period.

So what do you think? Are bulges appropriate? Would you use them? Thoughts?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I think the "R" class battleships were first.

I have used bulges only on my monitor, as to keep draught low. And the torpedos out :)
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2180.msg23341#msg23341

Some players hold very strong views on bulges.
BTW - IMO these can also be used to sim tumblehome hulls.
Borys

[Korpen]

In working on a battleship design, I've messed with adding bulges. Does anyone have an opinion on them? I'd basically just use them to hold the TDS.

I know that in real life, they didn't appear until the end of WWI (With Courageous and Glorious, I believe), so they might not be appropriate for our designs yet. I also know that they were most common in refitted ships during the post-Washington Treaty period.

So what do you think? Are bulges appropriate? Would you use them? Thoughts?

Think one could say they were common quite a bit earlier then that, the tumblehome on quite a few pre-dreadnoughts could be considered as bulges as well.

[Guinness]

I don't think I could bring myself to illustrate a French style predred with extreme tumblehome :)

[maddox]

the first ship in the Nverse with bulges, and it's considered a huge failure.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1545.msg16951#msg16951

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Guiness, take a deep breath, steel youtself for the horrors inside, and check out this thread :)
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1400.0

Borys

[Guinness]

I don't think the bulges were Greater Napoleon's problem...

[maddox]

In effect they solved part of the problem.
But that doesn't change the perception of the world towards ships that use them.

[Sachmle]

IMHO I think more battle experience or at least testing involving ships w/ standard TDS, which I don't think any of the ships in the last war had, vs newer torpedoes to see the ineffectiveness would be required before anyone would start using bulges for TDS. Basically, I would say bulges now= severe hindsightidis.

Oh, and Borys, thanks for reblinding me w/ those hideous ships in that thread. I had almost stopped shaking from the last time I saw Depuy de Lome.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Now then, don't be such a baby ...
Borys

[Sachmle]

Before the latest tech rewrite the BB/AC architecture had:

1910 all-or-nothing/raft body protection scheme
1914 quad turrets, turreted secondaries, improved Torpedo Protection

Now we have:

1912: Futurisitc:  Quadruple turrets

and

An armor tech not related to the metallurgical aspects of the main tree, and not required as a pre-requisite to later techs on that main tech tree:

1912 Sloped external belts; "All or Nothing" Protective Schemes

Why not add to the armor tech a: 1914 Advanced Torpedo Protection; bulges?

[Korpen]

Why not add to the armor tech a: 1914 Advanced Torpedo Protection; bulges?

Nah, thereare already at least half a dozen ships with bulges around.
Also bulges does have drawbacks, especially in ships with lower stability.