Rules changes and such

[P3D]

Up till now I was responsible to 90% of the rules of Navalism. I think that there should be a single person who is responsible for the rules to run the sim, and it should not work along the lines of  "democracy by outcry" (where the ones who are the loudest have the most votes).

As there are more than one people are not trusting me to make rules that have at least the resemblance of self-consistecy and realism, I'll rather resign from this rule. People kept alluding that some of my decisions were biased, driven by personal dislike, or tailored to fit to whatever is better for the Navalism country that is Orange.

Anyways, we had 6 Moderators/admins for like another 12 players, too top-heavy IMHO. There should not be more than three. Now there is one less.  From now on I will sit on the sidelines, and will be very loud to propose the changing of rules that I don't like, apparently that's much more easier than to get another twenty persons to agree with you.

Ah, don't forget to get someone to backup the forum every few days.

[Korpen]

As there are more than one people are not trusting me to make rules that have at least the resemblance of self-consistecy and realism, I'll rather resign from this rule. People kept alluding that some of my decisions were biased, driven by personal dislike, or tailored to fit to whatever is better for the Navalism country that is Orange.

Anyways, we had 6 Moderators/admins for like another 12 players, too top-heavy IMHO. There should not be more than three. Now there is one less.  From now on I will sit on the sidelines, and will be very loud to propose the changing of rules that I don't like, apparently that's much more easier than to get another twenty persons to agree with you.

Well I  for one is sorry to hear that.
I think you have gotten less credit for the rules then You deserve, and I beg appologies for not saying that earlier.
Remember that it is always easier to point out the thing that do not work then all the other things that does work, so criticisms unfortunately have a tendency to become overwhelmingly negative.

Up till now I was responsible to 90% of the rules of Navalism. I think that there should be a single person who is responsible for the rules to run the sim, and it should not work along the lines of  "democracy by outcry" (where the ones who are the loudest have the most votes).

I agree that it is best if one person have the final word on the rules. But that should not mean that rules should not be the subject of civilised discussion.

An idea I think bounced in a IM discussion (think it was with Maddox) is to have a thread or discussion board for rules discussion, and preferably post suggestions before they become official (and players can post suggestions). This would of course be totaly free from any commitments in any way, but it would be a good way to ventilate an idea, and getting people to shout their ears of before a rule is implemented. It is much easier to ingnore people if they do not feel ignored... ;)

[Tanthalas]

Well if thats your decision, then welcome to the ranks of the shouters LOL.  Nah im never Personal about things (Least I try not to be) although I view everything as a topic for Discourse.  I stayd out of the most recent debate besause it realy had no bearing on me (I had already payed for my refits so realy it had no bearing on me).  That said man I think you had the disadvantage of dealing with some players that would out and out break any rule put in place (as oposed to me who would just flex them if he thought he would get away with it)


So who wants to be my new Oposite number (aka the person who buts heads with me over ships and such).  Waht I have to have someone to argue with =P

[Ithekro]

Interesting choice.  Not my first choice, but if you think that is wise, then go for it.

I've always felt more like a member of a committee than actually doing anything to the site.  My take on moderator seems more like mediator at times. (not always)  Attempting to solve conflicts...but sometimes manages to create them.

[miketr]

What the hell brought this on?

Michael

[Ithekro]

There have been a lot of arguments on rules of late and a lot of accusations of rules targeting specific people or countries (or perhaps more accurately, styles of play).  Some rules were founded to keep things more realistic based on evidance of what happens without said rules from N2.  Others were installed to make things more real in terms of prices and down time for ships.  Others were installed because of known abuses of the previous system or expected abuses of the new system.  More recent rules have been added to correct flaws in the rules or fill in gaps and loopholes.  Others have been added to increase the realism factor due to the massive amount of hardware lost in the recent war and factors that seemed to cause heavy debate and arguments.

[maddox]

4 Moderators P3D

You, Ithekro, Borys and me.

Leo is the owner of the site. And not involved.
Phoenix as a tie breaker if the mods are 2 against 2.

The back-ups aren't an issue either. You, P3D, were just the first one to get to Leo on that.

On rules. As know, I rather keep the rules at a minimum, and get a maximum of flexibility as gamemaster.
But due my self imposed "back seat", just to let the situation sort itself out. With my main involvement as a "historician" to merge Nverse II with Nverse III.

Now, on this.
Realism is only a part of the Nverse. Springsharp 2 is our realism.
The reason the Nverse ever started. "Logical reasons to design ships with Springsharp"
Rule number 1)
PLAY THE GAME, NOT THE RULES

The reason for 4 moderators.
Divide the workload (I on my own never could have run the latest pacific war).

If you reseign, nobody can stop you.
But shouldn't you rather think about the reason there was so much comment?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
There is a fine line to walk. On one hand making the rules as realistic as possible, yet playable and enjoyable on the other. And also there is such a thing like happy players (or at least not unhappy enough to leave).
Borys

[Borys]

Ahoj!
P3D - sorry to see you resign. Will you continue with Orange?

I do not think you ever had been pro-Orange biased.
But such acussations are IMO very difficult to avoid with player-moderators.
Borys

[miketr]

I agree we need one person to make the final decesions.  Also I think we don't need a dictator, a little debate I think is fine.  Constant change of the rules I am not in favor of.  Is it possible to get this behind us please?

Does anyone else have any issues with the rules as is?  Please say so now so we can move forward.

I really think Carthigians problems aren't the rules but his economics and what he thinks a country his side can do.  Which isn't the rules.

Michael

[Sachmle]

I think it's all in interpretation and implementation. Most important part of any rule is, does it do what it's supposed to do. If not, change it.

[leo-rcc]

Point of order:

1: I was never informed of P3D's decision to stop as admin. Fine by me, but that brings me to
2:Are backups being made? If so, by who?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I think I made a backup two or three weeks ago - I logged on as "admin" and clicked "backup" and ended up with a 9-10 megabyte file on my HDD.
If that is the correct procedure, I can do it more often.

Borys

[leo-rcc]

Thats the right way, make sure you do it with some regularity, bacuse im not making any backups and your backup will be the only restore capability this forum has.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
OK. Backuped today.
Borys