Hi Kirk

[Korpen]

I would suggest one of the Asian nations as Bavaria while far more powerful is in a very crowded place with the games heavy weight of France next door.  So ability to do things is VERY limited in Europe.  IMHO...

Fascinating how different one can look at a situation. :)
I think Bavaria got allot more room to play with then the Asian countries that are sitting around on their lonesome. The only thing the Asian countries can do that Bavaria cannot is go stomping their NPC neighbours. Bavaria on the other hand is pretty much the balance player of Europe.
And if nothing else, it got allot more toys to play with while doing nothing. ;)

[miketr]

Bavaria has lots more people to talk to in Europe but its already has various relationships, with lots of very powerful nations next to it and no oversees holdings. 

I wasn't suggesting the asian countries for wanting to go out into war but for having max freedom to do things.  If he wants war, it works, if he wants to do something else that works too.  He would have a blank slate to write on as he sees fit.

Michael

[miketr]

Being very frugal in army and fleet spending - the Mughlas could had channeled 56,25$ per HY into their economy - thus could had added 6IC in the relevant period.

Borys

With only 1.5 BP I am not sure how much military spending he can do to be honest.  I see a nation hungery for BP imports.  If he doesn't take them I may do a couple of economics for them to get them running.   

Michael

[Borys]

Mughal military spending?
Easy!
30-40 Corps of Infantry, and 10 of Cavalry?
:)
Borys

[Kaiser Kirk]

<people kept posting as I tried to write this>

Borys
Thank you for the response.  Unfortunately I had been hoping the answer would be they hadn't been updated :) The longer Persia and Mughal had been neglected the more time they would have had to develop. 1909-1912 is not much time, while 1906 or 1898-1912 is.  Ahh well. Though Miketrs idea you relayed could help.

Miketr/Korpen-
On the one hand I do not want to commit to a nation with sprawling interests and a large navy- the Wesworld UKN is plenty for that. This does eliminate Desertfox's New Swiss as something I could request to play.

Persia, the ancient history I find appealing, as does the open geographic position, and possibly ripping off a chunk of a wounded Ottoman in a year or two. However the nations size makes it overly limited in options.

Mughal has a similar low base, but the larger revenue means it can grow, and well there is weak little Persia next door.

In regards to the Mughal army- they can afford ($) many, but support in combat (BP) very few. Ironically, this makes hordes of primitive troops a possible consideration to round out the few baseline units.

Bavaria both has far more BP/IC to play with... and in many ways less to do with them. The army is already grown a little beyond what can be supported in war, but Italy/France/Hapsburges are larger, Baltic the same..as of 1906. There is a small navy, but with the Straits of Otranto, and no Merchant marine, as well as the limits on officers, there is little to do with it.
There are alliances with France/Habsburg, Italy is stronger, I've also read something about the French frowning on Combat in Europe..except Greece, which limits options. Further, it seems most of Bavarias neighbors are in established alliances already. Bavaria is strong enough to be independent, but to late to the party for other things.

So I'm just considering things. I may eventually ask for Bavaria, or Mughal, not likely Persia. I am just trying to get a handle on what could be done with each.

[Borys]

You could play "Mughals" as Persians - it's your's to set up. Heck, the country could be run by Zoroastrian exiles (Farsis) plotting to recover their Ancient Fatherland, the Iranian plateau.
Or they could ALL be Zoroastrians :)
The ruler could be a descendant of the Sassanids and consider all other Royal Houses as yesterday's peasants (only Ethiopia and Japan could take offence).

Like you've noted, you could expand the economy quickly.

Borys 

[Kaiser Kirk]

Actually the Zoroastrian bit I had thought as a basis for a new Persian revolution.
For the Mughals I was entertaining a Persian prince ascending the throne and then leading the liberation of his homeland...or something.

Bavaria I earlier had the idea of allying with Rumania against the Habsburgs, Netherlands against Baltic, Netherlands and Italy against France..... but that does not exactly work with the current game reality :) True that doesn't mean its not something to work towards...

[Borys]

Actually the Zoroastrian bit I had thought as a basis for a new Persian revolution.
For the Mughals I was entertaining a Persian prince ascending the throne and then leading the liberation of his homeland...or something.

Good!

Bavaria I earlier had the idea of allying with Rumania against the Habsburgs, Netherlands against Baltic, Netherlands and Italy against France.....

IMO you demonstrate the proper mindset :D

Borys

[Guinness]

Speaking of South Asia:

What's the story with OTL India? Could it maybe come out of it's NPC status as well? If we could somehow staff both the Mughals and India, that might make things interesting...

[Kaiser Kirk]

its ... a secret Bavarian colony?

[Korpen]

its ... a secret Bavarian colony?

If Bavaria would be seriously seeking a colony, there is always Surinam... ;)

Bavaria both has far more BP/IC to play with... and in many ways less to do with them.

All pretty much depends on what objectives one set.

There are alliances with France/Habsburg,

Well Bazel never countersigned any of them, so if one wanted to I think it would be safe to declare them null and void.

[Kaiser Kirk]

Well Bazhell did post a news piece on those treaties :

24.03.1908

After publication of the treatys with Habsburg and France spontaneous joy demonstrations in the entire realm area occurred. The support of the prince regent increased clearly.

So they exist.  Further, I expect that the Hapsburgs may be less willing to go after the Ottoman if a hostile Bavaria sat in their rear, so rewriting could have ripple effects. You deal with the hand you are dealt.  8)

Further he announced the transfer of a fortress to France, the withdrawal of a Corps, the laying down of 10 ships for various nations (on 8 slips...), the apparent transfer of tech from CSA, and the hiring of Captain Franz Hipper as commander of the 1. Coastal Protection Flotilla. 

Bazhell was busy in his one half-turn, then he went on vacation and never came back. Hope nothing adverse occurred  :(

In other news I've managed to figure out an overly elaborate, but vaguely plausible, means of getting a Sassinid lineage seated on the Mughal throne. I managed to learn more about that area's history than I actually wanted in the process...

[Borys]

Well Bazhell did post a news piece on those treaties :

24.03.1908

After publication of the treatys with Habsburg and France spontaneous joy demonstrations in the entire realm area occurred. The support of the prince regent increased clearly.

So they exist.  Further, I expect that the Hapsburgs may be less willing to go after the Ottoman if a hostile Bavaria sat in their rear, so rewriting could have ripple effects. You deal with the hand you are dealt.  8)

Exactly. With a hostile Bavaria I probably would not have become embroiled in the Balkans, and doubtlessly not this extent.

Further he announced the transfer of a fortress to France, the withdrawal of a Corps, the laying down of 10 ships for various nations (on 8 slips...), the apparent transfer of tech from CSA, and the hiring of Captain Franz Hipper as commander of the 1. Coastal Protection Flotilla. 

The ships for the CSA were ruled to have been completed and delivered. Probably all arranged constrction took place, so ther could be techs and/or $ out of it.

In other news I've managed to figure out an overly elaborate, but vaguely plausible, means of getting a Sassinid lineage seated on the Mughal throne. I managed to learn more about that area's history than I actually wanted in the process...

Tell me about it ... playing this game I've learnt lots of things of absolutely useless things ...
:)

Borys

[Kaiser Kirk]

Speaking of useless things, this war with the Ottoman is over the Kingdom of Greece?
Looking into Prinzregent Liutpold there is an interesting tidbit...he's the rightful claimant to the throne of Greece.

When Liupold died in 1912, the throne of Bavaria passed to Lugwig III, who renounced any claims to the Greek crown (since the 1843 Greek constitution forbid their King from wearing another crown), and his younger brother Prince Leopold became the rightful claimant...but like his father did not press it.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
As in N-verse there had been on Kingdom of Greece in the XIXth century - I think, Wittelsbach claims to the Greek Throne should not exist.

Another difference versus OTL is that the deceased wife of the Iberian Emperor Jaime (she died of consumption) was a Wittelsbach. So I think that the Prinzregent is brother in law to the Iberian monarch.

Aha - speaking of learning useless things - I've learnt more about Carlism and Carlsita movement in Spain (plus Bourbon and otehr Royal Houses genealogy) than  I ever cared about.
:)

Due to inbreeding like peasants in a mountain village - the Habsurg Emperor's mother is a Wittelsbach - or was that the gradmother? Can't rule out that both mother and grandma were ...

Borys