Alliance and New Switzerland Peace Talk Thread...

[P3D]

Any historical example from between 1850-1925? Perhaps the Austrian-Prussian war of 1867, but then Wien was threatened. Current status might justify border corrections - a few islands on the border, 50-100km in New Guinea, but not ceding Islands that Japan cannot take even with full effort.

And may I ask currently how many Swiss ports do the DKB and Netherlands control in New Guinea?

[Borys]

Ahoj!
We can wait ...
Borys

[Korpen]

Any historical example from between 1850-1925? Perhaps the Austrian-Prussian war of 1867, but then Wien was threatened. Current status might justify border corrections - a few islands on the border, 50-100km in New Guinea, but not ceding Islands that Japan cannot take even with full effort.

And may I ask currently how many Swiss ports do the DKB and Netherlands control in New Guinea?

In the period you mention we got several examples, the most extreme must be the treaty of Versailles, were Germany ceded territory on pretty much all fronts, including losing territory to Denmark who was neutral during the conflict.

All the treaties concerning the final year of ww1 saw large amount of unoccupied territory being transferred.

But after some more looking around, most peace treaties concluded in the specified period saw transferee of territory that had not been occupied during the conflict.

The exception is conflicts that ended with a status que agreements, were everyone pretty much kept what they held, but there are quite few of those.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
South Sakhalin?
But enough talk - to arms!
Borys

[P3D]

The warfighting capability of Germany was pretty much exhausted at the end of 1918. New Switzerland has barely mobilized. DKB and Netherlands barely hold any Swiss territory right now.
Save for Taiwan, Hainan (in the process of being occupied), and the odd pacific atoll/island in Indonesia, there's not a single territory which would count so. Switzerland might still manage to deliver substantial reinforcement to Tasmania, and destroy the supporting fleet, and not a single town of any significance was yet captured.

[Borys]

Ahoj!

DKB and Netherlands barely hold any Swiss territory right now.

Austria will try to remedy this failing.
Borys

[Korpen]

The warfighting capability of Germany was pretty much exhausted at the end of 1918. New Switzerland has barely mobilized. DKB and Netherlands barely hold any Swiss territory right now.
Save for Taiwan, Hainan (in the process of being occupied), and the odd pacific atoll/island in Indonesia, there's not a single territory which would count so. Switzerland might still manage to deliver substantial reinforcement to Tasmania, and destroy the supporting fleet, and not a single town of any significance was yet captured.

That is another issue.
Another way to look at it.
New switzerland require controll of the seas to function as a state, without it the home islands and australia have no way to communicate, and it is effectivly split in two or three independent parts.
More then 1/3 of the Swiss navy have been sunk or heavily damaged, at the moment NS have no fully operational capital ships.
NS is out produced by the alliance by something like 6-1, and its fleet is much smaller then the alliance. As long as this situation remains pure attrition dictates that sooner or later NS are going to lose.


And major invasions require quite some time to prepare...  :-X

[Borys]

Ahoj!

And major invasions require quite some time to prepare...  :-X

Yeah.
Those 6 knot freighters don't exactly FLY over the waves, you know?
:)
Borys

[swamphen]

Save for Taiwan, Hainan (in the process of being occupied), and the odd pacific atoll/island in Indonesia, there's not a single territory which would count so.

*cough* Swiss Samoa *cough*

Aside from Korpen's point about fleet strengths - the Reich has chosen to ask for territory instead of $; we could instead ask for enough cash to sink New Switzerland if they'd prefer.  :P  After all, those battleships were quite expensive...

Those 6 knot freighters don't exactly FLY over the waves, you know?  :)

Walter, I believe that's your cue.  :D

[P3D]

****cough ****"and the odd pacific atoll/island"****cough****

[Desertfox]

Well considering that I hold more Allied land than the unholy allies hold Swiss land...

And then it is not easy to defeat NS, ever tried blockading an island 3,000 miles from your nearest base? And then with all those fishes enbroiled in the Pacific, the Sharks elsewhere might find easy pickings ;)

I strongly doubt Firanj will declare war, they are the only Allied country with a land border with NS, and the large Royal Australian Army is intact and rearing for a fight.

[Carthaginian]

And then with all those fishes enbroiled in the Pacific, the Sharks elsewhere might find easy pickings ;)

So far, none of those sharks have swam in for a taste.
In fact, those sharks are proving FAR more likely to nibble at the bloody corpse of NS than to see if the Allies agree with their palette. The longer this drags on, the more likely the sharks will be to bite rather than nibble.

And then it is not easy to defeat NS, ever tried blockading an island 3,000 miles from your nearest base?

Wasn't too difficult to get Japan, now was it?
Germany would have made short work of Great Britain had the US not came in.

Islands are as vulnerable as they are defensable.
NS is building oil-fired ships... do they have domestic oil?
Can NS support its population-all of it- on domestically grown food?
Can each island rely only on it's own resources?

In short, is NS a self-sustaining nation?
Because many of the neutral nations of the world are growing truly sick of this conflict, and desire to see it end. I wouldn't be suprised if more and more of them start refusing NS hospitality as time goes on.

After all, its NS against the world... and them ain't good odds.

[Walter]

Walter, I believe that's your cue.

Blast! I misplaced those flying freighters. :D

Can NS support its population-all of it- on domestically grown food?

I would think that if a shark is not nibbling on a Swiss corpse, it will be eaten by the Swiss. :)

[The Rock Doctor]

Some kind of a "Situation Map" would be useful, I think.  I'm not really clear on what territory is being held by whom in all cases.

Blockades against NS are becoming easier with each major loss of NS cruisers.  There are probably other measures the Alliance can take to choke the Swiss economy if they put their minds to it.

It took me a while to figure out what all this "Shark" talk was about, but I assume Foxy means that he hopes Gran Colombia will spontaneously decide to clobber Dutch Guyana some day soon.  I would also assume Carthaginian means that some other opportunist might take a run at Alaska or some other Swiss territory some time. 

Either that, or we're talking about peace settlements over a bowls of Shark Fin Soup...

[Desertfox]

Wasn't too difficult to get Japan, now was it?
Germany would have made short work of Great Britain had the US not came in.

I don't see airplanes and oceanic subs around here. ;) The Allies are not 1945 US, nor do they have a fleet train.

In short, is NS a self-sustaining nation?
Because many of the neutral nations of the world are growing truly sick of this conflict, and desire to see it end. I wouldn't be suprised if more and more of them start refusing NS hospitality as time goes on.

There's the Hauge, after all food is NOT contraband.

And this war would have been over long ago. But everytime Peace Negotiations began someone else decided to join against NS, thereby stretching the war.

It took me a while to figure out what all this "Shark" talk was about, but I assume Foxy means that he hopes Gran Colombia will spontaneously decide to clobber Dutch Guyana some day soon.  I would also assume Carthaginian means that some other opportunist might take a run at Alaska or some other Swiss territory some time. 

Just look around. All that NS can offer is Ice up North, Desert Down Under, and a bunch of coral filled islands in the middle. Now the Allies...have the DEI nuff said, the Congo, Siberia, strategic islands in the Atlatic, Carribean, Meditterean, and Indian Oceans, plus valuable chunks of Africa and South America and Aden. All nice juicy bits up for the taking. ;)