Brassey's Naval Annual 1886-

[P3D]

Apparently they are available  on Google Books. Annuals from 1886-191?, full scans of original volumes (~40MB PDF each), not all years available.

http://books.google.com/books?q=editions:NYPL33433066363833&id=IDoAAAAAMAAJ

I started looking for data regarding N4. I was underestimating ship maintenance a lot when I draw up the rules.

E.g. 1886 - total RN budget L13m. Wages&Victuals&Overhead cost is ~L5m of this.

1911 RN Estimates
Total RN budget - L44m
Wages&Victuals&Overhead: L12M
New Construction total L22.6
Ammo expenses: L2.2M
Fuel: L2.2M

France 1911 estimates
Total budget: L16M
Overhead: L4.2m
Repair: L1.2m
New Construction: L5m

Nverse equivalency
A 20BP country has ~$40 construction cost annually
Maintenance total should be ~$60
Not the $10-15 in the Nverse examples - France is at $27

[TexanCowboy]

Thank you, P3D!

[ledeper]

I have the 1912 edition as a PDF file,I any one wants a copy I can upload to you

[miketr]

Nelson's Navy: The Ships, Men, and Organization, 1793-1815 by Brian Lavery makes fairly clear that up keep for ships and crew is much higher than we pay.  Over a ships life time it would be 300 or 400% of the cost to build the ship. 

At the same time upkeep is a mechanic for the type of militaries we want, low is larger and high is smaller.  Especially as we have no mechanism to deal with war mobilization currently, low is better.

[P3D]

Nelson's Navy: The Ships, Men, and Organization, 1793-1815 by Brian Lavery makes fairly clear that up keep for ships and crew is much higher than we pay.  Over a ships life time it would be 300 or 400% of the cost to build the ship. 

At the same time upkeep is a mechanic for the type of militaries we want, low is larger and high is smaller.  Especially as we have no mechanism to deal with war mobilization currently, low is better.

Problem is naval reserves were not that important in magnitude to matter.

Mike,

could you check what data Warrior to Dreadnought has on how much a naval base cost (Rosyth?)

[miketr]

Warrior to Dreadnought not doesn't have any info on costs of on going operations of the yards.  It has manpower totals for 1889 for the royal dockyards.  Its got all sorts of break down of costs of ships in terms of armor, machinery, costs to build at various yards, etc. 

By mobilization I am talking about war mobilization of the economy for war production to allow for larger military and increased war production in war time.

Michael